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Licensing board to consider rolling back closing time for Theater District clubs; says after-hours street parties getting out of hand

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Boston Licensing Board Chairwoman Kathleen Joyce said today she plans to call a hearing at which to consider rolling back the 2 a.m. closing time for Theater District clubs, after listening today to police describe large street parties that often include people taking over the streets so they can crank up giant speakers mounted in the back of pickups, drink, dance, sometimes on the tops of cars, and get into brawls.

Five of the six hearings the board held today about possible rules infractions at local clubs and bars involved Theater District clubs, including one in which New England Patriots players were allowed to party well past the state-mandated 2 a.m. closing time in a private Halloween bash at Bijou on Stuart Street, to avoid any "mixing" with people being let out from another private party at the club.

But the hearing that got Joyce particularly incensed involved Candibar on Tremont Street, in particularly a large party centered on the parking garage at 270 Tremont St. after closing time on Oct. 13. Police said hundreds of people were swaying to music playing from large speakers in the back of car trucks and mounted in pickups, at least until officers to break things up, including at least one fighting circle of men, one of who allegedly learned that the ballistic vests officers wear protects them not just from bullets but from closed fists.

BPD Officer Christopher Rooney, who responded that night, told the board the loud music alone prompted several calls to 911, including one from the Doubletree across from the parking lot, where somebody mistook a particularly loud burst of sound for gunfire.

Joyce then asked Rooney if that night was unusual, and he replied it was not, that Saturday nights into Sunday mornings in particular have become particularly troublesome in the Theater District.

"There's some sort of mass acceptance of having a massive party on Tremont Street" after the clubs let out, he said. "You're having an influx of hundreds, if not thousands, of people in this area," he said, adding "we're lucky it's only been minor fights down there."

The parking garage serves all the Theater District clubs, but Candibar was cited - and had to appear for today's hearing - because three pals of the guy charged with trying and failing to beat up a cop told officers Candibar let them in and let them drink even though they were all under 21.

Candibar co-owner Charles Delpidio disputed that they were actually inside the lounge, that his doormen rigorously check IDs, including with license scanners. And he said it's unfair to blame Candibar for what happened at a garage that is used by all the area clubs, since there's no proof the three were telling the truth about drinking in his establishment.

"It sounds like closing time is a complete mess down there, yet again," Joyce said. She told Delpidio and co-owner George Kalevas they better start talking to their fellow club owners about how they're going to rein things in at closing time because at her proposed hearing - for which she did not set a date - she is going to propose earlier closing times for all the Theater District clubs if they can't come up with an answer.

"I am truly serious about this," she warned them.

In the Bijou incident, club managers said the issue related to how to end the night for two separate private parties - one upstairs, one downstairs - without any problems on Oct. 28. Upstairs, Patriots players were, for a change this season, having a good night. The club's manager told the board he decided to clear out the nondescript party on the first floor before ushering the Patriots out to avoid what his lawyer called "mixing out in the street" - he said he wasn't expecting any trouble, just wanted to avoid having players bothered by fans.

The problem, the club admitted, was that this meant the Patriots didn't start to leave until 2:30 or so, a half hour after closing. The last Patriot was out and into his "black car" around 2:50 a.m. But the problem with that problem, police testified, is that the club kept the music going until 2:30 - prompting 911 calls from nearby residents.

Club attorney Stephen Miller said club management now knows it can ask the board for permission to stay open a bit later to achieve peaceful end-of-night crowd dispersal. Board rules give establishments with 2 a.m. closing times until 2:30 a.m. to get all patrons out - and has in the past granted clubs dispensation to go later than that with extenuating circumstances.

But Joyce told Miller and the club: No more, especially not in the Theater District where closing time is now a problem again. To start, even if the club gets permission to stay open later to ensure a smooth exit of all patrons, it has to shut the music off by 2 a.m., no exceptions. But Joyce said, instead the club should figure out how to get one party out earlier than 2 a.m. to meet that absolute 2:30 a.m. deadline.

"I don't care if it's the Patriots, the Celtics or who it is," she said.

The board also held a hearing on a citation by police to Venu on Warrenton Street, for a Nov. 11 incident in which police found a large crowd gathered outside - police and the club disagreed where there was any fighting going on - after an incident near closing inside that kept going on after closing outside.

Club officials said there was no fight. Instead, they said, some people inside rushed the stage near closing in an effort to get closer to the night's performer - with one guy being particular insistent and banging on the door of the back room into which club security and the performer's retinue had tried to secure the performer so he could leave. That guy's photo is now on the club's "banned" list of people no longer allowed in.

The other Theater District incident discussed today did not involve closing time but instead an incident at Candibar on Sept. 10, in which a woman denied entry because a doorman thought she was drunk and intent on bringing her drink inside grew incensed and tried to sneak in anyway, then swung at a doorman who tried to block her, after which he punched her. Delpidio and Kalevas said the man no longer works for them, in fact, he's since moved out of the country.

The non-Theater District hearing involved a bar at the posh Raffles Hotel on Trinity Place in the Back Bay Oct. 11 in which one man sitting at a table with some women got mad that a guy sitting next to his table bought drinks for his lady friends, caught up with him outside the men's room, threatened to twist his neck and kill him and then tried to do so, only to have security quickly break up the fight.

The board meets Thursday to consider whether the clubs could have prevented the incidents and, if so, whether they merit any sort of sanction.

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We need a robust nightlife scene in Boston to be a truly world class city. It will be wonderful when all the new licenses come online in the neighborhoods, so we can all enjoy visiting the third world without having to leave home.

Basically, what's happening is that clubs that want an extension to their hours under extenuating circumstances (see the Bijou case in the story) have been calling the Czar asking her to get the licensing board to grant them the extra time.

Joyce said to knock it off. The licensing board is in charge of hours of operation, not the Night Life Czar and if an establishment wants a change in its hours, whether permanent or for one night, they have to contact the board directly.

Extend closing time if there’s such a demand for late night (early morning) places to socialize?

And grizzled veterans of the Boston scene might recall when Boston had an all-night place with no liquor license (and how it was hounded out of business by a particularly notorious BPD detective).

But if you want places to serve alcohol after 2 a.m., you're going to have to contact your state legislators, because that particular limit is set by the state, not the city.

Are you referring to the Loft? I used to go there in the 70s. A more boring place would be hard to find, though it used to get packed with unsleepy people desperate to stay out after 2 AM. They got around serving booze after 2 AM by claiming it was free, but had big signs (and bouncers) that said "tipping strongly encouraged" or some such. It was originally located right across the street from the old police headquarters on Berkeley Street so you KNOW money was changing hands.

The LOFT was an awesome dance club in the days before DISCO just became a highat and a guitar lick and you had to know how to do the Hustle. The DJs seemed to never take a break. Even their wine cooler was kind of tasty. I remeber many a Friday night watching the BPD detectives and dancing until dawn.

Sounds more like the late lamented Union Station “juice bar” in the old Astor theatre. That place was WILD! Every shady character from miles around ended up in there in the wee hours. Good times.

YES! THIS!!

Is this on the clubs and not on the poorly behaved individuals, and the BPD??!? Part of why this city has no nightlife is we seem not to believe in individual responsibility in MA...

I am old now, but this seems to be a different world than the late night world I knew in the 70s and 80s when I frequented gay and rock clubs. In those days when the clubs closed people generally left the area and found other more private indoor pursuits if they wished to keep partying. Save for the customary hour or so when the crowd from the club would mill around out front sorting themselves out. Though generally not loudly. Today it appears they just take over the streets and bring their own refreshments and sound equipment to boot. Seems rather pushy (and inconsiderate) to me.

If the police are really having this much trouble clearing drunk crowds then inwoukd have to guess that closing the indoors party earlier means extending the outdoor party.

Why don't they just let everyone get out by 3 am and stop serving liquor at 2am? Why ask people who are still full of energy and liquor to rush out into Downtown streets?

Obviously, this should be the fault of said people^… but its also the police’s responsibility to enforce the crowds and make arrests. The licensing board is creating the problem and then blaming club owners. When there is much more blame to go on to the police and the club goers.

Additionally, why is the Licensing board stonewalling Corean Reynolds? Does this ever elevate to the level of interference from the Mayor due to the Mayors stated desire about creating a 24/7 downtown?

I’m emailing Kathleen Joyce.

Why don't they just let everyone get out by 3 am and stop serving liquor at 2am? Why ask people who are still full of energy and liquor to rush out into Downtown streets?

You'd think as much of a nanny state as we are here, we WOULD want to do this. Stop serving an hour before closing. Let people sober up a bit before being pushed out onto the street. I bet there's drunk driving data to support the fact that this helps prevent drunk drivers.

The city of Boston has limited control over liquor license rules - if you want things to change you need to convince the legislature to change state law.

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If we can have Open Newbury Street for shoppers, why not Open Tremont Street for music lovers? Let's be a little bit more New Orleans.

+1

then arrest anybody who doesn't. Rinse, repeat. I'm sure when all is said and done they'll come up with a lot more charges than the disorderly, for many of them. You don't get to tear up the streets at 0300. Grow up or get out.

The real Eddie Van Halen would be spinning in his grave, someone like you using his name to call the cops on people dancing in the streets.

in addition to being a drug addict and alcoholic who sobered up before dying young, was a professional musician and performer, not an inconsiderate puke who kept people awake in their own homes into the wee hours of the morning. If he did, he certainly wouldn't have been proud of it. And I don't think he delegated you to speak for him.

"Call the cops on people" - How old are you again? How bout you post your address and people can go dance, light firecrackers, blast music, scream and brawl in front of your door when you're trying to sleep?

Had a sense of humor

when I'm not dealing with people who have revealed themselves as snarky and condescending. :)

This noisy late night stuff goes on in different parts of the city and never in some part where resident’s health and well being are not adversely affected.

The pitiful whine about how we need to prove we are a world class city because allowing hell raising till 3 am is what it takes to make a city “world class” (whatever that buzz word is supposed mean) is just plain silly.

? They do it all over the world

There is no curfew in Boston.
You want go for a quiet stroll at 3 am, go for it.

It’s about having obnoxious drunken parties with loud music and screaming idiots outside people’s windows at 3 am which is not appreciated “all over the world”.
The clubs contribute to that.

If you're able to dance inside a club/bar, you are less likely to turn a parking garage into an outdoor concert. By kicking everyone out of the clubs early, we encourage outdoor parties.

until fairly recently. If you extend it to 03 it just drags the outdoor party on until beyond 04. You go after the miscreants who can't behave, not continue to lower the bar for them. People actually live within the Theater District, Chinatown and Bay Village, and they always have. Take it to Landsdowne/Ispwich Street or create another entertainment district in Fort Point - if there's anything left there. Kenmore would also be an easier place to sweep away leftover drunks. If most people acted responsibly it wouldn't be a problem to have late night drinking venues. It's not the responsibility of Boston to provide places for alcoholics and problem drinkers to howl at the moon all night. Do it in your basement or go down to Mass and Cass with the other active substance abusers.

Well said.

I hear your comment in a whiny 10 years old’s voice. “But, but other kids get to stay up late!!”

The later the street party starts, the more obnoxious and potentially dangerous it gets.

You know - the parts of the world that also don't have ridiculous drinking age restrictions and transit that runs later than 1am on weekends.

E.g., most of Europe, non-Islamic Asia and Africa, etc.

The rest of the world has a lot of different rules about this kind of stuff. Closer to home, the rest of the United States (with a few exceptions) stops serving alcohol at 2AM. New York, Las Vegas, and maybe a handful of other places have this mystical all night drinking people think happens everywhere but here.

Note, I'm not opposed to later closing times, but let's keep our claims accurate.

the majority of adults are able to act their age and hold their liquor.

Found the guy who doesn't travel. Even in "staid" places like Zurich it can get real stupid on the streets of a late weekend night.

The most important difference is the drunken yobs don't have to drive and the countries they live in will arrest them for anything over a beer or maybe two if they do! (0.02 to 0.04 BAC)

…. citizens of European cities are sick of tourists and making moves to limit the mayhem they cause.

you don't know anything about me. You don't even know if I'm a "guy" or not, genius. But your cantankerous nature here and continuous snide remarks of a personal nature say a lot about you as a person, and about your intellect. My comment was not related to anywhere OCONUS. Now, scurry back over to the other thread and continue your defense of violent criminal aliens.

Why isn't it on the garage owner/operator to stop problem activities? As some others said, why isn't it on BPD for not shutting down parties in the street?

I put this kind of thing in the same category as food delivery people blocking streets/bike lanes. There are already laws preventing these problems, they're just not being enforced. If there are problems with the clubs (e.g. underage drinking) then sure, have some punitive actions for them. This sounds like the majority of the issues are outside of the club's purview.

If you make closing time earlier, aren't people just going to start their outside parties earlier and annoy people earlier? (saying this as someone who is asleep by 11-ish 95% of the time)

Why isn't it on the garage owner/operator to stop problem activities?

Because the garage doesn't serve alcohol and didn't agree to abide by the Boston Licensing Commission rules and regulations that govern alcohol licensees.

Maybe they should just roll the time forward to 5:00 or so, so people will just keep drinking indoors. By then they should be passed out.

Perhaps the same strategy could be applied that the Landsdowne street clubs use - I bet it involves the clubs paying BPD for police details to prevent this nonsense!

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